Alice Madness Returns Meaning
May 13, 2012 Yay i finished it! WATCH IN HD!!!!!1 Omg it took like half the day to render Oo. AMAZING game, AMAZING song.love. This took me forever to 'perfect' until i. Jun 16, 2011 The final boss and ending sequence to Alice: Madness Returns for the PC. Major plot spoiler warning, of course.
Alice: Madness Returns is the sequel to the third person action-adventure game American McGee's Alice.
Alice[edit]
- My Wonderland is shattered. It's dead to me.
- Another day, a different dream perhaps.
- Is it mad to pray for better hallucinations?
- I know what's real!
- I know I'm guilty of something, but punishment hardly ever suits the victims of a crime.
- Who set that bloody train in motion? Where has it come from?
- You've used me and abused me, but you will not destroy me!
- It's not a dream. It's a..memory. And it makes me sick!
- Wonderland has become quite strange. How is one to find her way?
- This is good for me. I'm not insane! I didn't kill my family. I am fine. I'm not mad. I am innocent, I mean, not guilty!
- I've not come back here looking for a fight.
- I want to forget! Who would choose to be alone, imprisoned by their broken memories? [bitter]
- I know their pain. I would assist. But is sanity required for the job?
- Blasted Cat!
Cheshire Cat[edit]
- Puurrfect. When you're not on edge, you're taking up too much space.
- Threats, promises and good intentions don't amount to action.
- Every picture tells a story. Sometimes we don't like the ending. Sometimes we don't understand it.
- Ah, Alice. We can't go home again. No surprise really. Only a very few find the way, and most of them don't recognize it when they do. Delusions, too, die hard with memory. Only the savage regard the endurance of pain as the measure of worth. Forgetting pain is convenient, remembering it: agonizing. But recovering the truth is worth the suffering and our Wonderland, though damaged, is safe in memory.. for now.
- Abandon that hope! A new law reigns in this wonderland Alice, it's very rough justice all around. We're at risk here. You, be on your guard.
- A secret is only a secret when it is unspoken to another.
- Different denotes neither bad nor good, but it certainly means not the same.
- Only the insane equate pain with success.
- Only fools believe that suffering is just wages for being different.
- Every adventure requires a first step. Trite, but true, even here.
- The uninformed must improve their deficit, or die
- Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some.. don't ever want to.
- Haste makes waste, so I rarely hurry. But if a ferret were about to dart up my dress, I'd run.
- A reflection sometimes exposes more reality than the object it echoes.
Mad Hatter[edit]
- The world is upside-down, Alice. Inmates run the asylum - no offence - and worst of all.. I'm left tea-less!
- The insolence, the arrogance the execrable table manners! They are destroyers of Wonderland! Defilers! Denuders! Derangers! Delightful..
- The law is just. Just a whisper away. Who knows how to measure rules? With a ruler! Cruel rules.
- Everything's a nail, is it, Miss Hammerhead? First it was your search, freighted with fear and fragmented memories. Now it's the train! Never time for tea. While your brain's on holiday, we're ruined! Now we're all mad here and that's a good excuse for going to hell in a teapot, but not for forgetting what your senses saw.
- Forgetting's just forgetting, except when it's not. Then they call it something else. I'd like to forget what you did. I've tried, but I can't.
The Queen of Hearts[edit]
- A good guest does not overstay, a perfect guest stays home!
- The train is trying to destroy all evidence of your past and especially the fire. Now, who would want that? Who benefits from your madness?
- There is no method in this madness!
- Authority must be obeyed, or it must be overthrown!
- What you claim not to know is merely what you've denied. You've recaptured your vagrant memories. What are you doing with them?
- You shouldn't ask questions you know the answer to, it's not polite.
- Make your survival mean something, or we are all doomed!
- I may survive here, but you're finished!
- You don't know your own mind!
Dr Bumby[edit]
- Memory is more often a curse than a blessing.
- The cost of forgetting is high.
- The past must be paid for.
- A flower's purpose is simple and immutable. Human purpose is fickle because it is a slave to memory. Memories must be strictly managed, Alice. Unproductive ones must be eliminated.
Other[edit]
- Nurse Witless: Still a mess, no surprise. Her kin roasted like chestnuts right before her eyes. Ten years in Rutledge Asylum wasted everyone's time! Dr Bumby won't do better. Still hauling out her questions: the fire, her memory. I deserve consideration, don't I? Who found her her new clothes? Who got her a place at Bumby's? Where she'd be without me? On the street, selling her backside! Likes my pigeons, though. She's doled out the odd pound or two. But I know what's worth more than that! Kept her secret, haven't I? Heard her say 'All died on my account, I couldn't save you!' I've told her my silence is for sale, cheap! I'm a good sort, really, not like her nanny, that uppity whore! Or that lawyer fellow Radcliffe [who] took her stupid rabbit! Need money.. warned her I'd tell the coppers if she didn't make a 'donation' to my upkeep. She yells and goes off her head. Days she can't remember her name, what I heard.
- Dr Bumby: Come, Alice, am I not to be as much honoured and obeyed as the Queen? Is that asking too much? I want what she wanted. Give yourself over to that: trade the tentacles for the train. It's altogether a better ride. It's that or back to Rutledge!
- Nurse Witless: Never a kind word or reward for services rendered! Don't I deserve a bit of luck? Don't piss on what's right and owing to me, I say! Brought you out of the asylum, now you'll go back of your own accord!
- Nanny: I told your mother, dear. You're a distant and stubborn child, too content in her own world. Young women need to leave their wonderlands. The real world is not so 'wonderful'. You'll need to grow up. Perhaps some more time in 'care'?
- Radcliffe: You look decent enough. But appearances deceive: I know you for an unstable and violent person! I can't say I'm surprised you've been incarcerated in the asylum again. A long stay under supervision would serve you right!
- Dr. Wilson: 'Flight or Fight' implies a permanent choice. But 'flight' often just means putting the fight off to another day. Choose your battles wisely, Alice.
- Walrus' Poem:
- Sword and crown are worthless here,
- I invite everyone to dance
- Labourers, lawyers, church and gown all make their little prance.
- This life is full of random death
- And heaps of grief and shame,
- So few are soothed by 'accident'
- You want someone to blame.
- Fire, plague or strange disease,
- Drowned, murdered or, if you please,
- A long fall down the basement stairs
- None are expected, no one cares.
- I often must work very hard
- Sweat running down my skin,
- After the dance I then must rest
- And the eating can begin.
Dialogue[edit]
- Alice: At least the place I've landed is somewhat familiar
- Cheshire Cat: [Suddenly materializing] About time, too, Alice.
- Alice: Blasted cat! Don't try to bully me. I'm very much on edge!
- Cheshire Cat: Purrfect. When you're not on edge, you're taking up too much space.
- Alice: You are no help at all!
- Cheshire Cat: But you know I can be.
- Alice: I'll frighten myself when necessary, thanks very much. I was hoping to escape all that!
- Cheshire Cat: Abandon that hope! A new law reigns in 'this' Wonderland, Alice, it's very rough justice all round. We're at risk here, you be on your guard!
- Duchess: Ah it's you again, Alice. You may approach.
- Alice: Why would I do that? You want to eat me!
- Duchess: Yes, well you taught me manners and I've lost my taste for mad women; strictly a porcine diet for me. Everything is better with bacon, don't you agree? Of course you do. Now, there are pig snots scattered about. I heard a few behind the house; go fetch them for me. But take care of the pests that block your way. Pepper them up if they do. They need spice and you're just the dish -- ehm -- girl to season them for me. You'll find that grinder serviceable.
- Alice: Why not season your own pig parts?
- Duchess: Matters of priorities! My Alabaster skin needs protection from the disgusting creatures running amok amidst the environs. But one gets peckish! Look, all you have to do is listen for the oink, then shoot the snout! You may like the results. I certainly will.
- Alice: The Hatter's Domain, almost as I remember it!
- Cheshire Cat: Appearances, as you know better than most, can be deceiving, Alice. Much has changed since your last visit.
- Alice: Dr Bumby says change is 'constructive', that 'different' is good.
- Cheshire Cat: Different denotes neither 'bad' nor 'good', but it certainly means not the same! Find the Hatter, Alice. He knows more about 'different' than you.
- Alice: But does he know more about the difference between bad and good?
- Cheshire Cat: [noticing the Bolterflies attacking] Making friends, Alice? You're as randomly lethal and entirely confused as you ever were.
- Alice: I've managed without you so far, Cat. Return to whatever hovel's home to you, I'll call if I need you.
- Cheshire Cat: Predictably rash. It's not a question of 'if', Alice, it's 'when'. Now hold on, and as they say, 'shut up'! [he disappears]
- Alice: So typical.
- Mock Turtle: You'd better come aboard, Alice. We're doomed, of course!
- Alice: What? There's no hope, then?
- Mock Turtle: Oh, there's an infinite amount of hope, but not for us!
- Mock Turtle: Confounded beasts, they want my ship!
- Alice: I think you're more to their taste.
- Mock Turtle: [outraged] Never! We're almost relatives!
- Alice: You're related to soup, Admiral.
- Caterpillar: A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step!
- Alice: A single step off London Bridge could end my journey..
- Caterpillar: Failure as your epitaph? I'd hoped you were more courageous!
- Alice: I've come all this way to find a simulacrum?!
- Caterpillar: If I had the time, I'd detail how often you prefer dealing with illusions rather than the real thing. Problems you refuse to deal with don't exist! You deny reality!
- Alice: That's not right! I know what's real!
- Caterpillar: No! You allow others to tell you what isn't real.
- Alice: My memories are shattered! This wicked train has ruined nearly all I can recall and Wonderland will perish completely as I lose my mind. So much has changed.. I can't help Wonderland if I can't help myself!
- Caterpillar: Much has changed, but you've got it backwards: save Wonderland and you may save yourself! The Carpenter was on to something, but he was hiding from the real. Your goal is to accept it!
- Alice: Where should I go, then? What should I do?
- Caterpillar: The Queen must be served, Alice. The Queen, in all her guises, must always be served.
- Alice: How can she stem this growing corruption or assist my search? What does she know that I don't?
- Caterpillar: She is someone you once knew and loved. Time changes us all.
- Alice: Not all change is good!
- Caterpillar: Remember that when you find the Queen!
- Cheshire Cat: Back to admire your handiwork? Returning to the scene of the crime?
- Alice: It had to be done, Cat, you said so yourself! 'You and this Red Queen cannot both survive. She is a cancer in your body. Excise her or perish!'
- Cheshire Cat: Well, she was the face of evil in the heart of darkness..
- Alice: She didn't treat you too well last time, lost your head as I recall!
- Cheshire Cat: She was completely deranged. You picked up her crown, but now you've put it down. You must speak to her; what's left of her, anyway.
- Alice: The Red Kingdom's in ruins, but you're no better off!
- White King: When you defeated her, I tried to reclaim the castle, but I was set upon by her monstrosities. The malignant royal bitch still reigns.
- Alice: I'm here to petition her. I must get inside.
- White King: The only way in is through me. Sacrifices must be made.
- Alice: Those who say so usually mean 'they should be made by others'.
- White King: Cynicism is a disease! It can be cured. Once inside, beware of the outsized killer who patrols her domain. Never confront him; he is invincible. Now cut me loose: I'll show you the meaning of 'sacrifice'!
- Alice: [to the Queen] I was expecting someone else!
- Queen of Hearts: You don't know your own mind!
- Alice: It's nearly a complete stranger!
- Queen of Hearts: What you claim not to know is merely what you've denied. You've recaptured your vagrant memories: what are you doing with them?! You once rejected my attempts to control our lives forcefully, but now you've allowed another to succeed in my role!
- Alice: I won't miss your tentacles.
- Queen of Hearts: [infuriated] You'd prefer the hot stinking breath and unyielding attentions of a potent, unreasoning, unfeeling hellraiser?! I don't think so!
- Alice: Can you give me more than a warning? Caterpillar said you might help!
- Queen of Hearts: I'd need a better reason to respond than what's currently on offer!
- Alice: If you don't, we're all doomed!
- Queen of Hearts: Not doomed. Forgotten! I may survive here, but you're finished! You see the pattern of destruction, I know you do! The train is trying to destroy all evidence of your past and especially the fire. Now, who would want that? Who benefits from your madness?!
- Alice: The destruction of Wonderland.. is the destruction of me?!
- Queen of Hearts: Indeed! And vice versa!
- Alice: I've set it in motion, I can derail it. This is good for me! I'm not insane! I didn't kill my family. I am fine. I'm not mad, I'm innocent - I mean, not guilty! [sees the tentacles wrapping around her] What's happening, what are you doing?!
- Queen of Hearts: The train must be stopped, but there's more to do. Your view conceals a tragedy. The whole truth you 'claim' to seek eludes you because you won't look at what's around you! [swallows Alice; Inside Alice's memories] There is no method in this madness!
- Dr Wilson: My professional opinion? Madness is often a treatable disease, though perhaps not in this case.
- Queen of Hearts: Authority must be obeyed, or it must be overthrown!
- Nurse Witless: 'Cruel to be kind', that's my technique as they say, but she's as mad as a hatter, poor dearie!
- Dr Bumby: Worst is over, and over, and over. Forget it, Alice - forget it!
- Insane Child: The unstable are more than merely mad: they have 'other parts'. The Dollmaker will deprive them of what remains of their deranged souls. They need care!
- Alice: I know their pain. I would assist, but is sanity required for the job?
- Insane Child: A limited quantity. You're not mad enough to be rejected. You're like them, of them in a way, but not them. I should say 'not us', for I'm them, but you are on your way. The way is clearly marked.
- Alice: I believe I know that way and I'd rather not travel further along it.
- Alice: My Lizzie.. What is this train's destination?
- Queen of Hearts: Madness and Destruction. You shouldn't ask the questions you know the answers to, it's not polite. And that noise wasn't Lizzie talking in her sleep.
- Alice: Oh no.. Poor Lizzie!
- Queen of Hearts: And there are no centaurs in Oxford. Make your survival mean something or we are all doomed!
- Caterpillar: Come to receive your punishment then?
- Alice: I know I'm guilty of something, but punishment never suits the victims of the crime.
- Caterpillar: Abuse is a crime the strong visit on the weak, and you're right, abusers are insufficiently punished for the damage they do. Those who witness abuse without seeking retribution for the harmed pay a penalty. Your own pain mitigates your failure to act earlier, but you may not yet have paid enough for witnessing the pain of others..
- Alice: Is there really so little hope?
- Cheshire Cat: There is even less. And if fear paralyzes you.. we're lost.
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Bug/Glitch riddled game[edit]
as easy as it was for me to find page after page on forums of users complaining about the same game-breaking bugs and glitches i was experiencing, i'm surprised there is no mention of these problems in the article or the discussion page.
At once point i was stuck unable to progress because a switch required to reach the next area simply did nothing. After overcoming all of these bugs with no help from the official site (i can't find a single patch available 2 years after the game was released) alice is now stuck in a walled off room with the final boss for all eternity, unable to damage it as it cycles through its movements and won't even attack.
As many enraged fans as i have read posts from, is EA somehow keeping the truth of their abysmal support service off the wikipedia page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.26.214.113 (talk) 15:06, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Controversy regarding characters and events involved in second teaser trailer[edit]
For the past several months there has been a minor edit war between two sides regarding the synopsis provided of the second teaser trailer, as covered in the development section of this article. The two disputed portions are as follows:
- The rabbit featured in the tea party scene of the carnival window being either the White Rabbit or March Hare.
- The identity of the silhouette that accompanies the Queen of Hearts at the trailer's climax.
I have tried to explain why the edits changing my initial summary are incorrect when reverting them (I know that makes me sound like I have some kind of complex but hear me out), but it appears this does not resolve the issue. Therefore, I would like to explain my findings and why the rabbit is the White Rabbit and not the March Hare, and why we shouldn't mention the second silhouette at this point in time.
- While it is the March Hare and not the White Rabbit who attends the mad tea party in the original book, we already know that this particular adaptation liberally reinterprets the source material at times. More important to note is the physical appearance of the rabbit in question as he appears in the window: he is obviously white in color, and is dangling a pocketwatch from his left hand. Now, the White Rabbit's defining characteristic is that he is white; after all, if he was another color, he would be identified as such. If we were to assume that all of the rabbits that inhabit Wonderland were white in color, that would make his name redundant and unremarkable in such a way that he would have to go by a different name, thus rendering this scenario impossible. Also, in all adaptations of Alice, not to mention the books, the March Hare was depicted as a brown rabbit! Though his appearance in the original American McGee's Alice was brief and the technological limitations of the time prevented a truly detailed view of the character, he clearly appeared with dark grey and brown fur.. despite his decrepit state, it's clear that if he was restored, this would be his proper coloring. But what definitively proves that the rabbit in the window is the White Rabbit is none other than the pocketwatch he holds. This is the character's other trademark; to quote the original book (public domain, natch), '[..] suddenly a White Rabbit with pink eyes ran close by her. There was nothing so VERY remarkable in that; nor did Alice think it so VERY much out of the way to hear the Rabbit say to itself,'Oh dear! Oh dear! I shall be late!' (when she thought it over afterwards, it occurred to her that she ought to have wondered at this, but at the time it all seemed quite natural); but when the Rabbit actually TOOK A WATCH OUT OF ITS WAISTCOAT-POCKET, and looked at it, and then hurried on, Alice started to her feet, for it flashed across her mind that she had never before see a rabbit with either a waistcoat-pocket, or a watch to take out of it, [..]' No other character in Wonderland is depicted with a pocketwatch, either in Carroll's stories or McGee's adaptation, meaning that the only character it could possibly be is White Rabbit.
- The issue of the silhouette is more complicated. The Queen of Hearts, whom we can all agree appears, does so surrounded by flames, and uses her tentacles to drag Alice into the inferno. Obviously, Alice does not go willingly, and it's simple to conclude that the Queen's ambush was malevolent in nature (and my goodness, what else could it be? That's not how you invite your mortal enemy to tea). This brings us to the silhouette opposite the Queen, who undeniably resembles the White Rabbit as seen in McGee's adaptation. The problem is that the White Rabbit is Alice's ally, not her enemy; so why would her trusted comrade appear alongside her arch-nemesis, shrouded in the same wicked flames and doing nothing to prevent the Queen's assault on Alice? A number of theories could be deduced from this: the White Rabbit has switched sides, much like how the Mad Hatter went from friend to foe in the time span between the books and the first game; a malicious White Rabbit Doppelgänger has been created/recruited by the Queen; or that this materialization of good and evil characters side-by-side was simply meant to entice longtime fans who are rabidly awaiting this sequel. Problem is, all these theories, along with any others you might come up with, are complete speculation and can't possibly be confirmed until McGee or Spicy Horse elaborates on it in the future, or the game itself is released (and presumably, this article will be radically changed by then, possibly rendering this argument irrelevant). This conundrum, combined with the fact that bringing up the White Rabbit again after being mentioned the sentence before in a different context (and, as we have established, it WAS the White Rabbit) only serves to confuse the reader and clutter the article.. ergo, the best solution is not to mention this second silhouette at all.
I hope this sufficiently explains why I keep making these changes, and I would implore you to explain your rationale and line of thinking here as well before changing the above-mentioned disputed information. Thank you! The Mach Turtle (talk) 08:06, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Don't specify a mac version without proof from a publisher[edit]
There are too many instances of wishful and hopeful thinking, however unless a publisher EA, Aspyr, etc actually posts an announcement then most likely there is no mac version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloodycelt (talk • contribs) 13:09, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Sep 01, 2018 Alice: Madness Returns like the original 2000 game release for PC that it is a sequel to, is a third-person, single player, action game that incorporates platforming and combat gameplay. Playing as Alice players retreat into Wonderland for comfort from the real world, only to find it in even more shambles than before. Alice: Madness Returns is the sequel to the 2000 video game American McGee's Alice. Once again, you play Alice Liddell, attempting to save Wonderland from a rampaging train and her own subconscious. One year after the conclusion of the original, Alice is still struggling to. Alice madness returns prequel. Jan 30, 2019 Based on that very early – and somewhat vague – information about the game, we can at least expect the next Alice game to be a prequel called Alice: Asylum that will cover some of the events. Alice: Madness Returns is a 3D platformer developed by American McGee's Shanghai studio: Spicy Horse. Published by EA, Alice: Madness Returns was released on June 14, 2011 for PC, PS3 and 360, over 10 years after its prequel: American McGee's Alice launched in 2000. The Alice games are based on the original Alice in Wonderland books.
I can't find any reviews on gameinformer on PSMUS websites, please give references or post a link in the external lnks section. 88.111.176.7 (talk) 12:12, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
What happened to the reception section, I know that there are several dozen reviews on various sites — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.112.152.201 (talk) 16:33, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
The plot section is poorly written and looks more like a resumé, full of spoilers. If I had the time, I'd fix it myself, but I don't, so does anyone care to rewrite the plot section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.161.231.88 (talk) 23:16, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
They then invited one another to a party that will be hosted by the newly crowned Alice – of which Alice herself had no prior knowledge. Alice madness returns not saving. His clumsiness was a reference to the 'eccentric' L-shaped movements of chess knights.Bidding farewell to the White Knight, Alice stepped across the last brook, and was automatically crowned a queen, with the crown materializing abruptly on her head. Escorting her through the forest towards the final brook-crossing, the Knight recited a long poem of his own composition called Haddocks' Eyes, and repeatedly fell off his horse. She soon found herself in the company of both the White and Red Queens, who relentlessly confounded Alice by using word play to thwart her attempts at logical discussion. Alice with the White Knight.Upon leaving the Lion and Unicorn to their fight, Alice reached the seventh rank by crossing another brook into the forested territory of the Red Knight, who was intent on capturing the 'white pawn' – who was Alice – until the White Knight came to her rescue.
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